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Nikride (talk) on 2025-11-10 18:29 (UTC) |
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Denykhivka - Kindergarten (view from the southwest) |
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Dzveniache - First aid station (view from the east) |
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Sound II (Gormley) |
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* Support Useful and used --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:28, 13 November 2025 (UTC) .[reply]
 Oppose Great photo but too far away to be most valuable. Charlesjsharp (talk) 20:45, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply].svg/20px-Pictogram_voting_comment_(orange).svg.png) Comment Indeed, Charlesjsharp is right. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 17:20, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] Support Best in Scope, @Charlesjsharp: which one is better? Looks the sharpest one and with the best composition. --Gower (talk) 10:00, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]- It is the best composition, but this is VI and the scope is the artwork, not the surroundings. Charlesjsharp (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Charlesjsharp, sculpture is too small part of that image --Gower (talk) 07:52, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Tisha Mukherjee (talk) on 2025-11-12 16:53 (UTC) |
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Spilopelia chinensis (Spotted Dove) - on erythrina variegata |
- Per COM:VIS, the general rule is one scope per species. However, it is allowed that “for some well-known species, sub-scopes may be proposed to illustrate a specific aspect of behaviour as long are they are relevant for Wikimedia projects”. Sub-scope examples given are “male versus female if identifiable”, “single versus group”, "eggs", "juvenile", "hunting", "mating", "hatching", "flying", "albino"...
- By my estimate, there are about 50 valid VI scope with optional sub-scope combinations for any animal, bird, insect or similar critter that would be in keeping with the COM:VIS guidelines on scope.
- However, when you add a second species, the scope becomes both confusing (which species is being nominated here?) and too narrow. The inclusion of a second species in the scope is a descriptive element unique to your image that makes the scope too narrow and not “a generic field or category within which the image is the most valuable example”.
- You have a good image. It's just the wording of the scope that needs some work. My suggestion on a path forward is to look at your image and find one of the 50 scope/sub-scope combinations that would be acceptable (aka "just right") --GRDN711 (talk) 05:57, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Tisha Mukherjee (talk) on 2025-11-13 06:30 (UTC) |
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Argya malcolmi (Large grey babbler) - on lantana camara |
- I don't think the scope is too narrow. It is a common practice on VI to include the specific name of a tree or plant that a bird or an insect is sitting on (recent examples: 1, 2, 3, 4). This means that there can be several different VI scopes for each different plant or tree a bird or insects is sitting on. -- Giles Laurent (talk) 13:44, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Giles Laurent, it appears we see things quite differently on this point. IMO, you have put together a small but fine collection of images with VI ratings that have slipped through with scopes that in citing two speciesm are "too narrow". It is not common practice to do this and a few examples do not change the VI guidelines.
- Per COM:VIS "...a scope is not a simple description of your image. Rather, it defines a generic field or category within which your image is the most valuable example".
- How valuable can a VI rating be if you can have one "for each different plant or tree a bird or insects is sitting on"? Every image has a descriptive element in it that is different from any other. Just having layers of detail doesn't make the image a valued image in Commons.
- It is not the intention of this VI forum and review to hand out VI ratings like candy. It must be a good image nominated within a defined scope that is not too wide; not too narrow; just right. - -GRDN711 (talk) 08:25, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GRDN711: As animals do not visit random plants this scope is considered valid and that's why I use it. I am participating here may be for just few months but you people are far more experienced I believe, so please decide if it is a valid scope or not. I have no intention of bending rules. I get to learn a lot from here that's why I participate. Thank you - Tisha Mukherjee (talk) 09:02, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Sorry Tisha, I respectfully disagree with your statement - "As animals do not visit random plants this scope is considered valid...". Birds perch on any plant or structure that can hold their weight. They also poop on anything and anyone. They may have some preference for food sources but this bird is perching, not eating. Even then, it would be the rare case where a bird would be limited to a single plant as a food source (not good for survival of the species).
- If you take out the second plant species from the scope and have no other characterstic bird behavior to offer as sub-species, then you are left with a VI claim that this image is the best and therefore most valuable, of this species.
- I don't know if this is the case but if you change your scope to just the species, I will review it on that basis. --GRDN711 (talk) 07:47, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GRDN711: I do have a lot of respect for you and also for those who have chosen to support. I would love them to participate in the discussion and come to a conclusion weather this scope should be used or not. Thank you - Tisha Mukherjee (talk) 09:44, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Brihaspati (talk) on 2025-11-13 08:50 (UTC) |
Scope:
Malayopython reticulatus (Reticulated python) |
- @Archaeodontosaurus: Check the updated scope please. --Brihaspati (talk) 08:59, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support OK now --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 13:00, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Regretfully Oppose as this is a good image. My concern is the inclusion of "in Kenya" as a sub-scope as it is not a visible characteristic or habit of this reptile. The cocuntries where this reptile is found in its natural wild environment are in South and Southeast Asia. This is a museum specimen located at the Nairobi National Museum, Kenya.
- It's your call, but you could make the wider VI claim that this is the best and most valuable image at Commons of the "Malayopython reticulatus (Reticulated python)" species, or perhaps more limiting "Malayopython reticulatus (Reticulated python)" species - museum specimen. --GRDN711 (talk) 18:19, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @GRDN711: I have updated the category as per your suggestion. FYI @Archaeodontosaurus: , since you also voted. --Brihaspati (talk) 08:42, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Brihaspati: A cross-out is not best practice in VI as the scope as written becomes part of the record for the VI nomination. You as nominator should go in and edit the scope to exactly what you want it to be reviewed as. --GRDN711 (talk) 07:10, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @GRDN711: changed the scope and removed cross-out. --Brihaspati (talk) 08:55, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Atudu (talk) on 2025-11-14 |
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Rhagastis gloriosa - female, dorsal, alive specimen |
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Oppose in that scope (no sex specified or distinction to alive or mounted specimen) there's better image imho, I created MVR --Gower (talk) 06:34, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @George Chernilevsky: MVR was imho valid until @Atudu: changed the scope after my review. --Gower (talk) 07:20, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Best in Scope after clarification of the scope --Gower (talk) 08:52, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Suggest a little further clean up on the scope to follow the COM:VIS guidelines to include the common name in the scope. Suggest:
- |scope=[[:Category:Rhagastis gloriosa|''Rhagastis gloriosa'' (crimson mottled hawkmoth)]] - female, live specimen, dorsal view
- I suggest you implement the same COM:VIS insect scope format of ''[[scientific name]]'' (vernacular or common name), sub-scope in your other VI nominations --GRDN711 (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Archaeodontosaurus (talk) on 2025-11-14 06:04 (UTC) |
Scope:
Dysmachus trigonus male on Dianthus caryophyllus. |
- I don't think the scope is too narrow. It is a common practice on VI to include the specific name of a tree or plant that a bird or an insect is sitting on (recent examples: 1, 2, 3, 4). This means that there can be several different VI scopes for each different plant or tree a bird or insects is sitting on. -- Giles Laurent (talk) 06:52, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Giles Laurent: , I believe that common practice is wrong and pointless, look here: Commons:Valued_image_scope/en#Animals. sub-scopes may be proposed to illustrate a specific aspect of behaviour – not specific background. Fly can sit on every species in its environment so we should create 1000-2000 scopes for it? --Gower (talk) 07:16, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I believe the current practice makes sense because the plant or tree is a valuable information about the animal's environment, which is also a reflector of the behavior of the animal/insect that will prefer some environments to others. So to me this is perfectly fine with the rules -- Giles Laurent (talk) 20:01, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @George Chernilevsky: of course that animals have their feeding plants etc. but not always. I also photograph insects and it varies, sometimes certain plants have significance, and sometimes it's a coincidence. --Gower (talk) 18:53, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Good image but regretfully Oppose based on scope. The inclusion of second plant species with this insect species is overly descriptive and narrow. This insect feeds on other insects and can be found on a number of different plants, not specifically this plant species. Also, common name of "fan-bristled robberfly" should be included. Suggest you consider a better scope for further consideration. --GRDN711 (talk) 19:05, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Best in Scope --Pierre André (talk) 09:06, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Gower (talk) on 2025-11-14 17:20 (UTC) |
Scope:
Parectopa robiniella lateral view |
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Oppose This one is better --Pierre André (talk) 10:43, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Pierre André Leclercq: your 'better' option is out the scope, here is lateral view, but in proposed file is dorsal view. --Gower (talk) 15:32, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Gower: That's your opinion. I'll let other photographers reconsider my opinion. Best regards. --Pierre André (talk) 16:58, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Pierre André Leclercq: that's not my opinion. Lateral view is something different than dorsal view, this is not up for debate. One photo shows a lateral view and the other a dorsal view, and these are also facts, not opinions. --Gower (talk) 17:02, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Gower: Without wanting to start an argument, in my opinion the image quality is poor and it doesn't meet criterion 3. Please, let others debate it.--Pierre André (talk) 17:22, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Pierre André Leclercq: you could have written that right away, thank you for the review --Gower (talk) 17:33, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Tisha Mukherjee (talk) on 2025-11-15 17:03 (UTC) |
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Calidris temminckii (Temminck's Stint) - wing-spreading |
- Comment I wouldn't consider stretching to be a valuable scope and the English usage is technically unsound. Charlesjsharp (talk) 20:57, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Agree with Charles that "stretching" is not the right sub-scope term. I also hesitate to add even more bird sub-scopes to an already large collection but I think this bird is engaging in characteristic behavior as described here:
- "Birds engage in sunbathing or wing-spreading to regulate body temperature and optimize feather maintenance, which involves spreading preen oil, controlling parasites, and boosting their immune system."
- If the bird was wet, the right sub-scope term could be "sunbathing" to dry their feathers. Here, this dry bird seems to be engaging in "wing-spreading" for the health benefits of avian care. Chickens and turkeys do this too. Suggest you change your sub-scope to "wing-spreading". --GRDN711 (talk) 06:58, 16 November 2025 (UTC) @GRDN711: I have changed the sub scope, thank you for your suggestion. - Tisha Mukherjee (talk) 08:44, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Useful and used with scope corrected. --GRDN711 (talk) 17:59, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Archaeodontosaurus (talk) on 2025-11-16 06:28 (UTC) |
Scope:
Brunnera macrophylla 'Jack Frost' in Garden of the Museum of the Americas in Auch |
- However, with the addition of the location, I agree with Gower that the scope is too narrow. This plant cultivar can be grown in many other places and is not limited to this specific museum garden.
- IMO, a wider scope similar to “Brunnera macrophylla, Jack Frost cultivar - leaf”, would be more effective for the VI nomination of your image. --GRDN711 (talk) 06:48, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose with regret, but extremely narrow scope, criterion 2, sorry @Archaeodontosaurus: I fully agree that there are fewer problems for the nominator (and greater chance for promotion), but what does it make sense for our project? Does this particular plant species deserve a scope relating to a specific garden in a specific city? I don't think so. That sub-scope does not contribute anything to the presentation of such species as flower, fruit, seed, leaves. "scope must be broad enough to be realistically useful to somebody who wishes to search the VI repository" (COM:VICR) --Gower (talk) 10:22, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Gower: Your remarks are unfounded. They only serve to perpetuate a negative atmosphere in VI. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 16:50, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Archaeodontosaurus: Sorry to hear that, but my remarks are founded on COM:VISC. For me, it's sad to have to come up with scopes that aren't very useful for the project just to get a VI because they wouldn't qualify for a more general scope. VI should serve the project nd not be a game of labeling photos. --Gower (talk) 09:24, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Archaeodontosaurus (talk) on 2025-11-16 06:38 (UTC) |
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Bust of a Young Girl by Eugène-Antoine Aizelin- Musée des Amériques - Auch |
- Support. Meet all criteria -- George Chernilevsky talk 07:20, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Archaeodontosaurus: does not meet criterion 6, no category for that specific sculpture --Gower (talk) 09:51, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Read the rule again carefully. The image is in the correct category. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 10:09, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I must agree, but: If no suitable categories currently exist, the nominator should create them before nominating. I like narrow categorization if it's useful. --Gower (talk) 10:25, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment A much better category would be artworks/sculptures by Eugène-Antoine Aizelin. If the artist is not worth a category, then is the artwork worth a VI? Charlesjsharp (talk) 15:58, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment There is indeed a category for Antoine Aizelin, but there is confusion related to his first name. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 17:09, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Archaeodontosaurus (talk) on 2025-11-17 06:39 (UTC) |
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Bottle with zoomorphic decorated neck. Lambayeque (culture) - Musée des Amériques - Auch |
- Support. Meet all criteria -- George Chernilevsky talk 06:46, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- so far: Oppose due to extremely narrow scope, how about Bottle with zoomorphic decorated neck – Lambayeque culture without limitation to Musée des Amériques - Auch? --Gower (talk) 08:07, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Gower: When a museum does you the honor of allowing you to photograph its collections, the least you can do to thank them is to mention them.--Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 09:27, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Archaeodontosaurus: thanks for your comment but that didn't explain anything to me. If I understand your scope correctly, it concerns a one specific item? If so, why not a wider scope? --Gower (talk) 09:32, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think the museum name is important here as other museums may have other bottles with zoomorphic decorated necks. As a futher thought, some artists produced many versions of the same artwork, so museum/location is important e.g. for Rodin's Thinker. Charlesjsharp (talk) 17:51, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Gower (talk) on 2025-11-17 08:42 (UTC) |
Scope:
Operophtera brumata, female, lateral view |
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Gower (talk) on 2025-11-17 09:12 (UTC) |
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Metellina merianae (male), lateral view |
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